Qari Sculpts

ecs05norway · Post by **ecs05norway** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:08 pm

So, sure, separating these out from the Lyran thread. Mods, feel free to move relevant posts from there over to here.

Latest images of the T-64 CA / T-80 CC
(The two are nearly identical on the SSD, no difference aside from shield strength. Unless that's changed since my copy of C4 was printed back in '95...)

Considering moving the sensor/deflector dish down to the lower portion of the hull and sloping the nose down instead of the flat face.

Now working on the T-72 CW also. Will post images shortly.

ecs05norway · Post by **ecs05norway** » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:27 pm

Qari T-72 CW, First Draft

The nose section shows something of what I want to do with the T-80/T-64. Give it a more sloped, tank-like look, than the 'mack truck' bow I've got on it now.

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:29 am

Steve Cole wrote:We really need a separate topic for QARI if you want me to answer those questions.

Ok, here's the Qari specific topic.

So, my question is, if you put the Qari in Shapeways, would you put FC rules for them into a CL?

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:30 am

Also, I don't know how to move posts, and I don't think I can. Maybe a full Admin can, but a moderator can't.

ecs05norway · Post by **ecs05norway** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:15 am

Well, let's see what rules they'd need.

Turret rotation: Pretty straightforward.

Kinetic Cannon: Mostly straightforward, the big issue would be how to resolve damage for AP (SP?) shells.

SubSpace Guided Missile: Pretty much drones with some special tidbits.

Scud Missile: BIG drone. Not carried on regular ships and generally useless except for base attacks. Borders of Madness for this one.

Trans-Mortar: Also a specialist item. Probably also BoM.

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:22 pm

The turret rule is already done (for the Borak). Kinetic cannon, subspace guided missle, and scud missile are relatively straight forward. I don't see why scud missile has to be any more BoM than the Qari as a whole. So, I figured all of that can work pretty much as desired.

The trans-mortar, however, is just gone. It is basically a modified transporter bomb, so I don't even think it fits as BoM. It probably just gets outright dropped and ignored in FC. On the other hand, it is a very specialized system that can easily be ignored without affecting the Qari as a whole.

Anyway, it has all been submitted to ADB already. The issue is if there is any interest to use it. I figured that the Qari were too topical and not of a whole lot of interest to the general audience to bother with. But, if there are going to be actual miniatures available for purchase, maybe they are worth publishing in a CL after all ...

ecs05norway · Post by **ecs05norway** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 1:45 pm

Enh, I figured, if they're going to do the Frax, might as well do more of C4.

And it helped me jog loose my issue with the Lyran that I was having.

ecs05norway · Post by **ecs05norway** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:18 pm

I'll take a look. Judging from the cover art of C4 they shouldn't be too difficult, I'd be worried more about making them all too samey.

I've got some ideas for how to make the Qari, at least, stand out visually one from another, drawing inspiration from real-life Soviet vehicles (appropriately enough).

Right now I want to focus on getting at least one or two each of Lyrans and Qari ready for print.

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:49 pm

Oh, I certainly didn't mean right now! I figure doing two empires at the same time is more than enough. I meant down the road.

Also, I would love if, after finishing the T72, you could then make the T73 variant, too. (If there will be rules for SCUDs, then there needs to be something that carries them!) But, again, do the ships Steve needs first. Then maybe worry about someone else's thoughts.

Rags · Post by **Rags** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:20 pm

I am very interested to see how the miniatures print with the separate turret piece. I have been giving some thought to how a tug miniature can be made for Shapeways with the option of either a cargo pod or battle pod, which has similar challenges to printing the separate turret. My current thought is to print the tug with the appropriate pod attached with two or three short lengths of sprue that are thick enough to survive the process for polished WSF if necessary.

Going off topic from the Qari for a moment, I needed to refresh my memory on the Flivvers, and while rereading SVC's designer's note for them I got curious about the half remembered concept art for a n early 1960's hover tank that he described as the inspiration. I didn't have any luck finding a copy of the concept art, but based on SVC's description (US Army markings, flat square machine, fighter jet style cockpit, rotary missile launcher and four lift engines) I suspect the fictional hover tank took a lot of inspiration from the smaller P-GEM research vehicle. http://www.oobject.com/18-hovercraft-de ... raft/3538/

There are a few more photographs on pages 22 and 26 of this report. http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=AD0256857 (1.6MB)

Bring things back slightly more towards the Qari, they were the first thing I thought of when I saw a picture of Object 760, a Soviet hovercraft from the early 1960's used to evaluate the idea of hover tanks.

Post by **Steve Cole** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:34 pm

I don't know how to move messages here; maybe Jean does.

We can always copy the text, delete the old post, and I think Chris has already reloaded the pictures.

As Chris (ecs05norway) is now on the Star Fleet Shapeways team, I would expect to see the Qari on Shapeways by 1 September at the latest. It's not how fast he can get them done but how fast we can process, evaluate, collect comments on, modify, review, and approve them. A lot of other ships are in the pipeline already.

ecs05norway · Post by **ecs05norway** » Tue Jun 27, 2017 8:17 pm

At this point I'm focusing on getting the Lyrans ready for July 11th. Once that's settled I'm going to look into at least CA, CW, DD, FF release for the Qari. If they sell well and Steve and Jean want more, I'll do more. A Scud carrier will go on the list right after those four. (Hmm, a thought. I could do it with doors and missiles sprued so you can build it with a Scud ready to fire....)

Post by **Steve Cole** » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:01 pm

I did what I could to copy the Flivver posts to their own topic.

Please no more starting a new empire in a shapeways topic.

Not sure about dumping the transmortar but I'll have to go look at the SFB rule before I decide. I'm thinking it would be better to put the QARI FC (and ACTA? and Starmada?) rules into CL53 and delay release of Qari Shapeways ships for that long.

We really need to get more Lyrans done first. With more empires you need a dreadnought, a cruiser or two, a destroyer, and frigate. With the Lyran two-hull/three-hull/four-hull system you need the CA/DN, CL/BC/BCH, DD/CW/NCA, FF/DW which is 9 ships released over no more than three months before moving on to another empire and coming back to do a new Lyran or something. Anyway, this topic is not about Lyrans. I would say you need to sprue the turret so it pops out as a separate rotating piece.