History Question

pinecone · Post by **pinecone** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:00 am

For purposes of scenario-making, I was wondering whether the Kzinti and/or Klingon (and any other race) War cruisers (or CMs...NCLs...) were available when the Klingons and Lyrans began their invasion of the Kzinti?

wedge_hammersteel · Post by **wedge_hammersteel** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:45 am

pinecone, schools out for the summer and you are still studying history.

pmiller13 · Post by **pmiller13** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:12 am

I would have to go dig out my SFB stuff for exact relative dates (the two games use different dating systems) but yes the Klingon D5 and the Lyran CW were both deployed at the start of the invasion. I can't remember the Kzinti and Hydran production dates on there war cruisers but if they were available it was in low numbers.

mjwest · Post by **mjwest** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:52 am

First, I want to point out that this is a moot point in Federation Commander. Any ship in Federation Commander (that is not expressly listed otherwise in Briefing #2) may be used at any time in any situation. There is no 'introduction date' or 'year in service' or timeline or any of that stuff. Ships is ships.

Now, for the question, I am pretty sure that Klingons, Lyrans, and Kzinti all had their war cruisers available, though probably in somewhat limited numbers, when the General War starts. The Hydrans also have war cruisers, but they are the crappy Horse and Trailer (aka Horseman and Traveler), not the later Mongol and Tartar. Federation Commander simply skips the H&T as the historical footnotes they actually were.

ericphillips · Post by **ericphillips** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:26 am

It isn't exactly moot for some of us players. I am trying to put together a campaign game using a roll of years for ship introductions. You know, to have the Feds use older ships and not just jumping and grabbing an NCA in the first turn. I just ordered G3 annexes to help this.

It is not exact, but it will be cool.

pinecone · Post by **pinecone** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:10 pm

1st: This is history that I actually want to study

2nd: Thanks for the replies. I do understand that FC isn't so strict about such things, but I do think it's important to recognize that the "War" variants of ships were not always available. I like the idea of a campaign that restricts the immediate purchasing of CWs.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:24 pm

Another aspect of Piney's question could be applicable to anyone who might be trying to write a piece of fiction, but wants to use the FC game engine to play out the associated scenario instead of SFB.

We have been told to try to keep all of the various SFU games in mind when planning a fiction story. The history and background is a crucial aspect.

jmt · Post by **jmt** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:53 pm

ericphillips wrote:It isn't exactly moot for some of us players. I am trying to put together a campaign game using a roll of years for ship introductions. You know, to have the Feds use older ships and not just jumping and grabbing an NCA in the first turn. I just ordered G3 annexes to help this.

It is not exact, but it will be cool.

A quick reference for when a hull is available is the Federation and Empire Ship Information Table (SIT) over on the Discus forum under Federation and Empire -> Master SIT Updates.

ericphillips · Post by **ericphillips** » Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:56 pm

Thanks