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cnuzzi · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 209

I know that the Klingon D6 and D7 are the same hull with different weapons packages. What about the C7? The ship card silhouette looks like a heavier boom, but I recall reading in a ship description somewhere that the C7 represented the maximum weapons payload that could be supported by that particular hull design, which makes me think that it is the same hull as the D6/D7. Which is it?

mjwest · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject:

Technically speaking, the D6, D7, and C7 are all different hulls. Even though the D6 and D7 vary by only four boxes (I think it is four boxes: two wing phasers and two APR), they are actually different hulls. Likewise, the C7 is a different, bigger hull than either the D6 or D7.

They are all different ships.

(How different the D6 and D7 are is open for debate. While there is no rules or any history of Klingons converting a D6 into a D7, the Romulans somehow managed to convert a KR into a K7RX. Go figure. But, fundamentally, they are different ships.)

And note that even having the exact same box count and arrangement doesn't mean they are the same. While I don't know if a D6 and D7 boom are interchangeable, the T7 (i.e. tug) boom is explicitly not interchangeable, despite having a completely identical SSD.
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Steve Cole · Site Admin Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 3828

D6 and D7 are very similar but C7 is a totally different hull.

The background says that the C7 is the heaviest possible ship on a generic cruiser hull (i.e., move cost 1), not on a D7 hull.
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djdood · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:51 pm Post subject:

Speaking strictly to the miniatures, the C-7 does indeed have a wider (more flared and dreadnought-like) boom, with a different "command bulb" and 'hat-brim" on the front of it. It also has the small center engine tucked flat under its rear portion.

The C-7's rear hull is very similar to the D6/D7 in top-view silhouette, but has a deeper "scallop" in the front center and is much stockier overall top-to-bottom. It also features a prominent centerline grille on its forward upper surface and a much taller and chunkier deckhouse.

The D-6 and D-7 are pretty much identical externally, but that is like saying a modern F-15SA Eagle fighter is the same as an early-1970s vintage F-15A. They look the same, but pretty much everything under the skin has changed in one way or another, especially the systems.
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Sgt_G · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:45 pm Post subject:

Don't ask me to draft them, but I would suspect that the D6 and D7 internal deck plans are substantially different.
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Jack Bohn · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:39 pm Post subject:

"The D-6 has four doors on this side, and the D-7 only has two!"

"No, no, no, it's the other way around! You've got it all backwards!"
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cnuzzi · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 209

cnuzzi · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 209

Ok, I found a great set of Adam Turner renders of the C-7, and I see what Will meant. When he said the boom engine was mounted flat, he meant FLAT, as in on its side. So I guess that engine is used for propulsion even when the ship is in one piece. I thought it was only exposed when the boom separated.

Steve Cole · Site Admin Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 3828

Actually the D6 and D7 deck plans are 95% the same.

The machinery in those spaces, the power bus system, the soft drink machines, and the tile mosaics in the ladies shower room are different.

There is a bigger reactor and two storage compartments were turned into phaser control rooms.

Oh, and the crew bunks are 1.25cm wider in the D7.
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djdood · Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:16 pm Post subject:

Sneaky Scot · Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:38 pm Post subject:

Should we be worried that Mr Cole knows what the ladies shower tile mosaics look like in 2 different classes of ship? Wink

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Steve Cole · Site Admin Joined: 11 Oct 2006 Posts: 3828

I am very concerned that the ladies have superior facilities and check on them frequently through the ESS monitoring video cameras.
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cnuzzi · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 10 Jun 2017 Posts: 209

Mr. Cole has always exhibited a high degree of concern for the welfare of female personnel. From the Commanders Edition, regarding Boom Separation:

Sneaky Scot · Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:29 pm Post subject:

Ah, so this is in the nature of a distasteful duty that someone has to complete. I understand!
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