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mjwest · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject:

Wow. Didn't see this one coming.

For what it is worth, it was my understanding, because of the wording of the rule and the color text given, that you could repair the torpedo box at the end of the turn and thus preserve the warhead. Obviously, this would only apply to ships that could do the repair in a single turn.

I have stated this before, but it has been a while. However, I will send a query to Steve to make sure this is correct.
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Dal Downing · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject:

mjwest · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject:

BTW, the reason for my interpretation is the parenthetical comment in (4J3d). The only reason the plasma torpedo goes away is because the ship cannot apply the holding energy at the start of the next turn. That heavily implies that the plasma torpedo is actually still present at the beginning of the next turn in energy allocation. That means that if the box is repaired prior to that point, the plasma torpedo is still there, and the holding energy can be applied, meaning that the torpedo doesn't go away.
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asguard101 · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject:

I seem to recall a rule from SFB that said you couldn't repair something in the same turn it was damaged.

1. Was this true?

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2. Did it not get imported over to FC?

Scoutdad · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject:

Starfury · Lieutenant Commander Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 302

I'll have to remember that next time we play FC. So if I lose 4 hull on a cruiser I can apply all 4 of my Dam Con points and fix them so they're there to be blown up again the next turn?

Scoutdad · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject:

Yep. That's typically what we do in the early rounds before more critical items are damaged... and sometimes even after they - just to have those 4 hull hits available on the DAC.
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Mike · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:11 am Post subject:

And as was stated earlier, the exception to the "repair the same Turn they were destroyed" rule is the new, improved rule about Orion engines that were doubled.

Savedfromwhat · Commander Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 657

I think this is being made more complicated then it is, and when people say things like "this is simple really..." and then go off on some tangent about launch phase it is just muddying the water. Me abd MJWest are in total agreement here simply because this is what the rules state if you look at them in an unbiased manner. hoton torpedoes have absolutley nothing to do with the disscussion, neither do hellbores, Fusion Beams, Disruptors, Drones, etc. Each weapon system in the game operates differently because each weapon in the game has its own flavor physics if you will. This is a game based on a fictional universe with fictional physics and it works based on those principals.

I am biased on the issue to be humble because I see plasma as weak already and would hate to see it hit with another nerf bat, I am loathe to take any side in a rulings issue for a game but I am making a stand on this because I think everyone on the opposing side is "reading too much into something that isn't there".

ok i am mad about this so i am going to stop posting now. Who gets mad about a game right? Anyway i will come back to this post when i cool off. sorry

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Democratus · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject:

I think it should also be taken into consideration that Plasma is no longer the hyper-spooky weapon that it was in SFB. They are marginal at best and so I don't think this 'rolling repair' rule is really out of whack as far as balance is concerned.

terryoc · Captain Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1386

I disagree that plasma is "marginal" in FC. You will need to use bolts more often in FC due to the higher speeds. It can be made to work. And against slow moving targets, plasma is horrific because of no weasels.
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Savedfromwhat · Commander Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 657

If you are a slow moving target against plasma you tactically deserve to lose.

The rules state that energy in a plasma torpedo launcher is lost at the end of the turn if it isn't fired. Fine I concede. Ignore the "flavor text" that states why the energy is lost, the rule proper doesn't have an exception therfore the energy should still be lost.

Now with this way of lookign at things I am off to dissect my rule book.

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j2klbs · Ensign Joined: 08 Oct 2008 Posts: 17

Hi all!

I just wanted to echo terryoc's comment. I cannot find anywhere that the rules say the plasma is lost, only that I have the option to launch it even if the launcher was destroyed.

Some people are saying, "it is very clear, the torpedo is destroyed at the end of the turn", etc. These people are trying to make the answer "simple" or "obvious" when that is not the case.

For those people, please cite specific rule quotes that lend evidence to the fact that if the launcher is destroyed but then repaired that the plasma (whether fully armed or in the process of being armed) is lost. I cannot find it anywhere in the rules which is why I made my original post.

Regards,
Jason